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| Rude Awakening(Team for Sale) - Contact: ahmed@fantasyfootball4you.com | 
Date Sat Nov 22 12:07:02 p.m. ET 2008
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| PattyMakers and I have the same record and he has a significantly easier road to the playoffs than I, we both have a much easier way to the playoffs than VT Cats. Yet PattyMakers gets to be first in line to get Tyler Thigpen who is a GREAT qb play, and he's probably not even primarily doing it to play him he's doing it to keep one of us from playing him (which is a very valid strategy and I'm disagreeing with that). But to do so he drops another player both VT and I could use but guess what, we can't pick him up because waivers are done for the week. There is no way that can be described as more fair than FCFS waivers. Hell I even dropped Brady with the hopes that the lower teams would go for him. Oh well | |
| BrownsROCK Guru |
Date Sat Nov 22 12:16:06 p.m. ET 2008
Edited Sat Nov 22 12:21:02 p.m. ET 2008
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| No way..... there is no way FCFS waivers is fair, no matter which way you look at it !!!!!!!!! The only thing FCFServe waivers does is serve the peeps that are on the computer all day long..... That's not fair at all !!!!! |
| Rude Awakening(Team for Sale) - Contact: ahmed@fantasyfootball4you.com |
Date Sat Nov 22 12:35:46 p.m. ET 2008
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| read what I wrote. I said is better than others and is more fair than others. There really isn't a question about it. Plain and simple FCFS waivers are more fair than a waiver system such as the one in this league. | |
| BrownsROCK Guru |
Date Sat Nov 22 12:45:48 p.m. ET 2008
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| read what I wrote..... No, it's not..... No matter which way you look at it..... |
| Rude Awakening(Team for Sale) - Contact: ahmed@fantasyfootball4you.com |
Date Sat Nov 22 1:01:01 p.m. ET 2008
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| except for you provide no evidence for your position. Also again try reading what I wrote. I said it is MORE fair. It doesn't meant that the system is perfect. There is NOTHING AT ALL fair about a waiver wire system. There is no way you can look at the outcome of this week's waivers here and even try and claim it was "fair" in any sense. | |
| 10 Table |
Date Sat Nov 22 1:23:38 p.m. ET 2008
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| first come, first serve rewards those who have more computer access .... the "easier" road to the playoffs is often offset by the ran-dumb-ness of fantasy football ..... first come, first serve is clearly not a fairer way to determine who gets tyler thigpen 
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| Rude Awakening(Team for Sale) - Contact: ahmed@fantasyfootball4you.com |
Date Sat Nov 22 1:32:46 p.m. ET 2008
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| Leagues such as this reward teams that start off badly or have hard beginning of the year schedules. Not one of you has even attempted to explain how that is fair. | |
| BrownsROCK Guru |
Date Sat Nov 22 1:55:26 p.m. ET 2008
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| C'mon Josh, you're a smart college edumecated kid, aren't you ????? The waivers we have in place in this league are MORE fair than FCFS.....PERIOD. FCFS waivers is in no way fair at all....Like Sean said, FCFS waivers favor the computer nerds that are around a computer all day and have no 'real' life.....(like work, families, volunteers, social events, etc.) Those that work, with no 'pewter access (me), and that are gone away from home (ie..their computer) for 9 hours OR MORE a day (commute time) are at a distinct disadvantage than those nerds mentioned above... How is that fair?? In this system we have now, at least everyone has a shot at certain players and is set up to help the owners that are having a stroke of bad luck and/or lose players to injuries, etc.... What would you propose to fix that or make it better????? |
| 10 Table |
Date Sat Nov 22 2:49:26 p.m. ET 2008
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| again, "hard" beginning of the year schedules is completely ran-dumb .... and, the idea is to enable those that don't win early or throughout the season, the chance to improve through the waiver process .... having the upper echelon teams being able to acquire more talented guys from the FA pool based on more computer access is foolish .... wonder why all professional leagues have waivers which allow worst to first claims? so if the first place phillies put in a claim for a relief pitcher and the last place pirates put in a claim for the same pitcher the phillies don't get that player because they called first ....  now my original post here did not claim to make an attempt at the fairness of the current system ... but it was rather easy to debunk any fairness in the first come, first serve system ...
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| Rude Awakening(Team for Sale) - Contact: ahmed@fantasyfootball4you.com |
Date Sat Nov 22 3:11:03 p.m. ET 2008
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| "at least everyone has a shot at certain players" COMPLETELY WRONG. In FCFS waivers EVERYONE has a shot at players because they can pick up whatever player off the wire they want to when they get on. with this system it is obvious that everyone does not have a shot at certain players. I had no shot to get Tyler Thigpen. When a good player gets dropped or someone breaks out I won't have any shot to get them unless I'm the bottom ranked team. You seriously can't be so blind as to not see that? "set up to help the owners that are having a stroke of bad luck and/or lose players to injuries, etc" partially wrong and partially correct. It is wrong to say that it is set up to help those who lose players to injuries. There is no you lost players to injury so you get to pick someone up (I've lost a fairly significant part of my team to injury this season, it hasn't given me priority waiver status). The system does reward those whose teams don't do well, in that you are correct. But why in the world is that a good thing. I'm guessing your a far left liberal as well right Mitch? Lets give everyone who isn't doing something well a "leg up" "but it was rather easy to debunk any fairness in the first come, first serve system" Well you didn't do it, so it apparently wasn't as easy as you thought  "wonder why all professional leagues have waivers which allow worst to first claims" They do and they don't. In the NFL in most cases when a player is cut there is a 24 hour window to submit waiver claims and then he is a free agent. In most cases a big name player clears that 24 hours and becomes a free agent. There are no contracts in this league for the team who picks up the player to consider. The computer access argument you guys try to put forward is not good enough. If you really are concerned about that then have a RANDOM waiver order or a ROLLING waiver order so the same team doesn't get the first pick every waiver period. It is a completely unfair way to do it period. FCFS waivers is obviously better than a worst-to-first waiver order. | |
| BrownsROCK Guru |
Date Sat Nov 22 3:26:19 p.m. ET 2008
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| Very well put Sean....In the leagues that Josh runs he has mostly FCFS waivers. And if you look at those leagues, there are usually 3-4 owners, Josh included, that are constantly making the pickups of backups or up and comers because they all have more computer access than those with more conventional, lives, jobs and families..... FCFS SUCKS.....PERIOD.....NO FAIRNESS IN THAT WHATSOEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| VTCats(Team for Sale) - Contact: ahmed@fantasyfootball4you.com |
Date Sat Nov 22 3:32:55 p.m. ET 2008
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| Rude Awakening:> PattyMakers and I have the same record and he has a Waivers aside, considering that I am 6-5, and both you and PattyMakers are 5-6, how do you have a "much easier way to the playoffs than VT Cats"? -bill (VTCats) |
| Rude Awakening(Team for Sale) - Contact: ahmed@fantasyfootball4you.com |
Date Sat Nov 22 4:19:44 p.m. ET 2008
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VTCats :> Waivers aside, considering that I am 6-5, and both I just looked and your right. Nevermind that part of it, I thought 3 teams from each conference went but that is in Dave's leagues. My bad. | |
| 10 Table |
Date Sun Nov 23 12:41:29 p.m. ET 2008
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| yep, FCFS waivers everyone has a shot at every player .... IF they are on the computer at the EXACT time waivers open .... certainly not always a possibility for everyone ... evidently, josh is fortunate enough to be able to have access at all times, day or night .... look, i am not a proponent of matching fantasy with pro leagues ... but there is a reason why pro leagues have worst to first waivers .. the "bottom feeders" have first shot at anyone they deem able to help them ... basically same holds true in fantasy .... and to say someone had NO shot at tyler thigpen is inaccurate as well ... cannot count how many times from the middle of the pack i put a guy at the top of my list not expecting to get him and then i got him .... using thigpen as an example here, he was in the FA pool for 10 weeks .... discounting the first 7 weeks when he wasn't playing that much, he followed that with 24/25/27 points before he was picked up ... so how exactly can josh be pissed at having no shot at thigpen, who was available for many weeks prior to being taken  anyway, this is an easy dispute .. FCFS is clearly not the fairest way to do waivers ... not everyone has the same shot to get guys, despite josh's claim that they do ... if everyone had a hand held computer and was able (or even wanted to) access 4yougurus at the EXACT moment waivers opened, then and only then, would everyone have the SAME chance ... and hell, even then, what happens if 3/4/5 guys are on at the same time trying to get the same player .... does someone's high speed computer overtake someone else's dial up? does someone's laptop overtake someone else's iphone? perhaps if josh yells long and loud enough, FCFS will somehow become the fairest method
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| BIG DOG DADDY DEJA VU '76 |
Date Sun Nov 23 4:50:08 p.m. ET 2008
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| having played in both... did the FCFS some years ago ... i now have one simple rule... i will NEVER EVER play in a format that uses First Come First Serve... it only benefits the "geeks" who have nothing better to do that sit on computer especially during a game monitoring one or three leagues and when see an injury occur quickly grab the best upcoming replacement which only hurts other owners NOT sitting around online all day... waiver priority means if your team sucks and you are low, then you get 1st shot at a player... but it means too that if your team is good and you are later in waiver priority, you might have to actually analyze and pick up a player the week or two before he becomes the "hot item"... Thigpen... i have one league where am 8-3 and leading bigtime today to lock up division and bye in 1st round... and i got Thigpen several weeks ago from 12th waiver priority...a good gamble that week which was the week before he truly became the "hot ticket" everywhere else... pays to do homework instead of sitting around geeking-out on computer to grab the just-emerged player just my opinion which certainly appears to be the majority this thread...simply put, i won't play a FCFS system it is too unfair !!! |
| E-Radicators |
Date Sun Nov 23 8:31:57 p.m. ET 2008
Edited Sun Nov 23 8:33:58 p.m. ET 2008
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| The fairest thing to do would be a "lottery" system for every waiver period, but I haven't seen that done before in any league. The current system penalizes the best teams. It's socialistic in a way, trying to help the worst teams for having a bad record. |
| VTCats(Team for Sale) - Contact: ahmed@fantasyfootball4you.com |
Date Wed Nov 26 10:53:51 a.m. ET 2008
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| E-Radicators :> The fairest thing to do would be a "lottery" system What really stinks is that often times the worst teams don't even bother to do waivers (perhaps why they stink to begin with) and then a decent team gets the high rated waiver player. That being said, and having played in both type of formats, I agree with BDD and Bums that I will not participate in any FCFS waiver leagues ever again. -bill (VTCats) |